• Prosím, zkopíruj a vlož hlášení o chybě, které vidíš na monitoru, pokud to lze.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Prosím popiš, co jsi měl v úmyslu udělat, co jsi udělal a co se nakonec stalo

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

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By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?

• Prosíme, zkopíruj/vlož text zobrazený v angličtině namísto tvého jazyka. Pokud máš snímek obrazvky zobrazující tuto chybu (doporučujeme!), můžeš použít Imgur.com pro nahrání obrázku a pak odkaz na tento obrázek na Imguru zkopírovat a vložit sem.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Je tento text k dispozici v systému pro překládání? Pokud ano, byl přeložen před více než 24 hodinami?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?

• Prosím popiš svůj návrh přesně a konzistentně, aby bylo snadné pochopit, co máš na mysli.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?

• Co bylo zobrazeno na monitoru, když došlo k tvému zablokování? (Černá obrazovka? Část herního prostředí? Hlášení o chybě?)

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?

• Která část pravidel nebyla dodržena adaptací hry na BGA

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Je vidět porušení pravidel na záznamu hry? Pokud ano, ve kterém tahu?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?

• O jakou herní akci ses pokoušel/a?

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Co ses pokoušel/a udělat, abys spustil/a tuhle herní akci?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Co se stalo, když ses o tuto akci pokusil/a (vyskočila chybová hláška, lišta ve hře, ...)?

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?

• V jaké fázi hry problém nastal (jaký byl poslední herní pokyn)?

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Co se stalo, když ses pokusil/a udělat akci (chybová hláška, oznámení stavového řádku hry, ...)?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?

• Prosím popište vyobrazený problém. Pokud máš snímek obrazvky zobrazující tuto chybu (doporučujeme!), můžeš použít Imgur.com pro nahrání obrázku a pak odkaz na tento obrázek na Imguru zkopírovat a vložit sem.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?

• Prosíme, zkopíruj/vlož text zobrazený v angličtině namísto tvého jazyka. Pokud máš snímek obrazvky zobrazující tuto chybu (doporučujeme!), můžeš použít Imgur.com pro nahrání obrázku a pak odkaz na tento obrázek na Imguru zkopírovat a vložit sem.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Je tento text k dispozici v systému pro překládání? Pokud ano, byl přeložen před více než 24 hodinami?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?

• Prosím popiš svůj návrh přesně a konzistentně, aby bylo snadné pochopit, co máš na mysli.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?