We've played 7 Wonders and Saboteur with the same people, always the same effect.

bug!

This is particularly a problem where the role / order makes a big difference. (For instance, Killer vs Inspector).
When the same players are playing, the roles should be reversed in the next game, but that is not the case. Here is an example: boardgamearena.com/table?table=95425832

"Rematch with exact same players detected: player order has been swapped." This really needs to be implemented.

This always happens with 3-player Hanabi.

This happened to us playing Hanabi the past few weeks (early June 2020). Firefox Info:

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This happened today on Flaming Pyramids (report
#21026: "PLAY ORDER IN A REMATCH GAME WAS NOT SWAPPED")

(not sure if because of player colour preferences overriding the randomization of play order?)

same bug here boardgamearena.com/bug?id=14855

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This happens consistently in Puerto Rico, too.

We repeatedly play Potions Explosions; each game of the same players has the same player order (though the starting player changes).

3 player games of Potion Explosion have this issue. The starting player changes for each game, but otherwise the play order is the same.

Experiencing this also now in an ongoing series of Puerto Rico games.

boardgamearena.com/table?table=121749212
boardgamearena.com/table?table=128658942
boardgamearena.com/table?table=131618224
boardgamearena.com/table?table=136411178

7 games at Tzolkin, same problem, with the revenge option or creating new games.

this is consistent in all games across the BGA platform.

If I get into a game with the same player, we always sit in the same seat. Our order and our place is always the same. Very annoying and it's not fair because it's relevant to the game (for example Wizard).

OK guys, not sure why this isn't getting an official explanation, but as someone who has developed a game here, I can clarify this much:

- For games where the player order should always be fully random, you should open a bug report against that specific game and tell the developer to set this in gameinfos.inc.php:

'disable_player_order_swap_on_rematch' => true,

That should fix it, quick and simple.

- For games where the player order should do something specific BUT not what it currently does (e.g. complete inversion of player order instead of just shifting the starting player by one) - well, the website doesn't currently support that. This report should be reclassified as a suggestion to implement more approaches. In the meantime, maybe those games should be set to fully random too - maybe you'll want to discuss that within the respective communities / with the developers of each game.

Bugs on the games I play please help thank you ❤️

This ALWAYS happens in Hanabi with 3-5 players. If your developers cannot reproduce this bug, they do not understand it.
What DOES change, game to game: Who goes FIRST.
What NEVER changes, game to game: The ORDER (sequence) of all players.
We have had to go out to the main website and then re-invite the same players every time in order to randomize the order/sequence of players for subsequent games. It's a pain.

This happens on Conspiracy 4 players.

With my friends, it would be very appreciated to modify player order when rematch, or, at least to have the option to do so.

We had this happen with two rematches of Troggu with 6 players: Table #209579605

We got this message in the log:
Rematch with the exact same players detected: player order has been swapped.

But the rematch had the exact same table positions for all players, and that happened twice.

What I have noticed is in 4p rematches, the turn order is rotated, rather than randomized. I can see some benefit to this, as it prevents any player from being first player in consecutive games (and likewise 4th player). But still, it's quite predictable for rematches. Thus, if you are 4th, you definitely want a rematch ... and if you are first, you have less incentive. LOL

Still occurs with Hanabi 3p

It seems like there is a general lack of alignment on these issues.

boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13319&start=10
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=13177
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22942

At the very least it would be nice if the text and the behavior were consistent.

This game (258546309) is the third in a row where the player order is the same. In a game like Agricola, who is to your left and right matters more than starts the game with the starting token. Perhaps the website is only randomizing who starts with the token.

Four Get the MacGuffin games with the same player sequence (but different starting players) were

304140034: minami_coi, Argus Panoptes, Junezzz, Cthulhu Night
305483923: Cthulhu Night, minami_coi, Argus Panoptes, Junezzz
306813511: Junezzz, Cthulhu Night, minami_coi, Argus Panoptes
308569687: Argus Panoptes, Junezzz, Cthulhu Night, minami_coi

And yes, they had the message "Rematch with the exact same players detected: player order has been swapped."

I play numerous turn based games with the same 4 players and we get the same player order every time we play game X. (The player order in game X usually differs from game Y). We've tried remaking the table, waiting a few days to remake the table, nothing seems to change the player order for game X.

Starting player is always different but the player order is the same. Really annoying because it skews games where specific players have certain play patterns.

The games where this is happening include Obsession, Feast for Odin.

Triplicate player matches even when prevent players to be opponents twice.
See tournament Streamline Empire Builder 1 brackets below
imgur.com/a/7vPUjMX

We played 4 games of 7 Wonders Architects with 3 rematches with the same players and we were always in the same order.

Yeah, there are games where player sequence doesn't really matter, simply changing who goes first and then keep the same clockwise order (or whatever) is fine.

But for a game like Puerto Rico, that is not fine. For such a game, playing after the best player at the table or playing after the least experienced player of the table is not the same thing.

This, yes. I'm in a fourth game of Caravan in a row with the same set of players, and it's been the same player order (different starting players at least) every time. Player order makes a difference! Please randomize this somehow.

@lordalx, not sure what your first language is, but the message "player order has been swapped" is poor English. You can only "swap" two things, not more. So at the very least, the wording should have been changed to "shifted", to clarify what's supposed to happen. With "swapped", a lot of people (not unreasonably) expect the order to be reversed entirely.

In addition:
- The default for all games should be to randomize player order on rematches. For most games, this is fine, whereas for a lot of games, the current default (of shifting the last player to first but keeping the order) is a problem.
- There is an opportunity to offer other special treatment (mainly, to reverse the player order).

For these reasons, I believe the correct action would have been to reclassify this as a suggestion - but certainly not to close it as "not a bug". The 193 people who voted for this report and the many who commented over 4 years all did so for a reason. To just swipe it under the rug as if it wasn't a problem is, to put it mildly, very odd.

I second LaszloK comment, but since this is the way you wanna play:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=124173

I agree that randomizing order (not just first player) should be default behaviour.

Being "like real life" isn't a convincing argument to me - you wouldn't ask us to manually shuffle the cards and manually move all the game components back to the starting positions on BGA just because that's "like in real life".

But since you mention it - if we play a rematch in real life we do have the option of deciding to get up and changing seats to randomize the order, so why not at least have that option available?

But at least if this behaviour is not going to be changed, then "player order has been swapped" is a misleading way to describe changing the first player that is going to continue to cause confusion and bug reports, it should be updated to more clearly describe what happened.

There are already bug reports open for 7 Wonders and 7 Wonders Architects that have been there for years which still have not been analyzed by the developers.

boardgamearena.com/bug?id=12591
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=55851

I also backup LaszloK.
If rewording is the best we get, then I recommend using the word "rotated".

And in my real life when playing a game again, where order matters, we usually change physical seats. It is good to stand up and stretch too. :)

In real life we use chwazi to change seats between each game. I agree with LaszloK and thank Gantonaci for the suggestion to upvote.

For every single game that my friends and I play on BGA, whoever is sitting directly next to you at the table is critical to the experience you will have in the game, as those are the people who you will have the greatest opportunity to interact with and impact. In SOLO you are going to make the people next to you draw cards or something, in BANG! they are the only ones that you are able to shoot at by default. It would be nice to click "replay" and have an actual new/fresh game experience, instead of being forced into a game where everyone is in conflict with the same people as they were two minutes ago, and further increasing whatever strain might result from those dynamics. Everyone in this thread understood the language of this message to mean that the positions of everyone at the table would be randomized. I can only see adding this behavior as a positive!

How was the first player not swapped here?
boardgamearena.com/table?table=566096221
boardgamearena.com/table?table=566089238