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#62353: "Wasn't given an option NOT to take action after placing caballeros"
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I chose a special scoring action with the intention NOT to use it (to deprive other players). I placed my caballeros first, but then the scoring happened automatically without giving me the chance to pass.
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6. Apr 2022 21:22 • Volker78 • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
There is a button "Confirm placement of caballeros and skip action", when placing caballeros
7. Apr 2022 7:30 • enavico • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
Happened the same on table 256353610
11. Apr 2022 0:24 • Travelin Eli • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
Have seen the same issue at least 3 times. Once for sure with the "Special Scoring -
All regions with the most Caballeros are scored immediately" Action card.
All regions with the most Caballeros are scored immediately" Action card.
11. Apr 2022 0:36 • SuperStes • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
I have had the same thing happening (i was at the same table as Travelin Eli and was at the receiving end of the stick :( very frustrating ! )
Table #257938244 (playing in firefox 99.0, 64-bits)
Turn 146 - I chose the action to score the region with most caballeros in it, because everybody had some in them but me, and the playets comming after me would benefit the most, so i wanted to block them - i chose the card, placed my caballero's, and then the action was performed without an option not to choose it...
It happened earlier in the game (I think) when opponent pyonfey mad a similar ridiculous choice to score somthing that benefitted not him but two other players (me not being one of them)
It was 10 to 20 points my opponents got handed where they shouldn't have - a real shame because overall the gameplay feels very much like the real deal
Thanks for looking into it
Table #257938244 (playing in firefox 99.0, 64-bits)
Turn 146 - I chose the action to score the region with most caballeros in it, because everybody had some in them but me, and the playets comming after me would benefit the most, so i wanted to block them - i chose the card, placed my caballero's, and then the action was performed without an option not to choose it...
It happened earlier in the game (I think) when opponent pyonfey mad a similar ridiculous choice to score somthing that benefitted not him but two other players (me not being one of them)
It was 10 to 20 points my opponents got handed where they shouldn't have - a real shame because overall the gameplay feels very much like the real deal
Thanks for looking into it
11. Apr 2022 22:35 • Volker78 • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
PLease make a screenshot of the "place caballeros" step before, where the "Confirm placement of caballeros and skip action" button is missing
2. May 2022 22:07 • Pandomonio • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
Today, was unable to skip action after allocation of caballeros, it have triggered automatically.
It was not my first time.
This is a critical failure altering the game completely.
It was not my first time.
This is a critical failure altering the game completely.
2. May 2022 22:30 • Volker78 • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
@Pandomonio please read my comment above
4. May 2022 11:26 • spip74 • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
I've checked the replay from a similar case of mine and i think i've found the problem. I play from mobile phone, and on it the button "place caballeros and skip the action" isn't visible.
It's visible only if you play with the phone in panoramic mode.
Hope it helps
It's visible only if you play with the phone in panoramic mode.
Hope it helps
4. May 2022 17:54 • Volker78 • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
@spip74: I cannot reproduce on mobile in replay. Can you make a screenshot with browser+version? And please pay attention, that placing-caballeros for that move is chosen BEFORE action.
8. May 2022 18:52 • RodimusPrime • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
Me too, table #263623583. But this screenshot tells it all: imgur.com/a/8UPKvYU
This is a serious UX bug with a huge effect on scoring. The game *does* give you the option to not perform the card action, but this choice is not given to the user in isolation. It is lumped in with another choice to confirm placement of caballeros, and it is also "hidden" behind a non-blue button.
Question 1: "You may choose between placing caballeros and action [Use action] [Place caballeros]."
Question 2: (screenshotted above): "You may place 0 / 3 caballeros [Confirm placement of caballeros] [Cancel] [Confirm placement of caballeros and skip action]."
The BGA/Web conventions for button colors are that (a) standard buttons should always be blue and do only one thing, and (b) only cancel/undo buttons should be red or white.
Please make it a separate step in the flow to prompt the user to either use or not use the special action. This decision does not belong in the place caballeros phase.
This is a serious UX bug with a huge effect on scoring. The game *does* give you the option to not perform the card action, but this choice is not given to the user in isolation. It is lumped in with another choice to confirm placement of caballeros, and it is also "hidden" behind a non-blue button.
Question 1: "You may choose between placing caballeros and action [Use action] [Place caballeros]."
Question 2: (screenshotted above): "You may place 0 / 3 caballeros [Confirm placement of caballeros] [Cancel] [Confirm placement of caballeros and skip action]."
The BGA/Web conventions for button colors are that (a) standard buttons should always be blue and do only one thing, and (b) only cancel/undo buttons should be red or white.
Please make it a separate step in the flow to prompt the user to either use or not use the special action. This decision does not belong in the place caballeros phase.
8. May 2022 18:52 • RodimusPrime • Vývojářům se nepodařilo tuto chybu reprodukovat:
SUGGESTION:
Suggested Q1: "You may choose between placing caballeros and action [Use action] [Place caballeros]"
Suggested Q2: "You may place 0 / 3 caballeros [Confirm placement] [Cancel]"
Suggeseted Q3: "You may perform the special action [Use action] [Do not use action]"
Suggested Q1: "You may choose between placing caballeros and action [Use action] [Place caballeros]"
Suggested Q2: "You may place 0 / 3 caballeros [Confirm placement] [Cancel]"
Suggeseted Q3: "You may perform the special action [Use action] [Do not use action]"
8. May 2022 21:22 • Volker78 • Tento návrh zatím nebyl analyzován vývojáři:
I see, that the current solution is not ideal. But I have to see, if I find the time to do this another way. It would require some big code changes for this, so it is not as simple as it seems.
8. May 2022 23:30 • RodimusPrime • Tento návrh zatím nebyl analyzován vývojáři:
Awesome. I understand. Thanks for considering this.
Alternatively, a quick code hack could be to reorder and change the copy on the buttons to read "[Confirm placement and perform action][Confirm placement and skip action][Cancel]" (...blue then blue then white buttons). This kind of change would remove confusion for me, at least.
Alternatively, a quick code hack could be to reorder and change the copy on the buttons to read "[Confirm placement and perform action][Confirm placement and skip action][Cancel]" (...blue then blue then white buttons). This kind of change would remove confusion for me, at least.
14. May 2022 3:38 • davypi • Tento návrh zatím nebyl analyzován vývojáři:
Can you maybe instead change the color of the button? The "confirm and skip action" button is the same color as the background, which makes it easy to not realize there is a button there. If the button were yellow or orange maybe, it would stand out as an actual option rather than blend in with the ribbon its on.
14. May 2022 10:07 • Volker78 • Tento návrh zatím nebyl analyzován vývojáři:
Should be both blue since last change?
14. May 2022 10:09 • Volker78 • Tento návrh zatím nebyl analyzován vývojáři:
Oh, no, I forgot to deploy last time. Now deployed.
9. Jul 2022 7:09 • RodimusPrime • Tento návrh zatím nebyl analyzován vývojáři:
Belated thank you for the workaround!
I have been enjoying this game more the last couple of months. And while the buttons are now a little wordy, I haven't once gotten messed up by the logic flow like I did before. Thanks!
I have been enjoying this game more the last couple of months. And while the buttons are now a little wordy, I haven't once gotten messed up by the logic flow like I did before. Thanks!
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