#66732: "Using VPs as a tie breaker is not useful"
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Detailní popis
• Prosím, zkopíruj a vlož hlášení o chybě, které vidíš na monitoru, pokud to lze.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Prosím popiš, co jsi měl v úmyslu udělat, co jsi udělal a co se nakonec stalo
• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
• Prosíme, zkopíruj/vlož text zobrazený v angličtině namísto tvého jazyka. Pokud máš snímek obrazvky zobrazující tuto chybu (doporučujeme!), můžeš použít Imgur.com pro nahrání obrázku a pak odkaz na tento obrázek na Imguru zkopírovat a vložit sem.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Je tento text k dispozici v systému pro překládání? Pokud ano, byl přeložen před více než 24 hodinami?
• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
• Prosím popiš svůj návrh přesně a konzistentně, aby bylo snadné pochopit, co máš na mysli.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
• Co bylo zobrazeno na monitoru, když došlo k tvému zablokování? (Černá obrazovka? Část herního prostředí? Hlášení o chybě?)
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
• Která část pravidel nebyla dodržena adaptací hry na BGA
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Je vidět porušení pravidel na záznamu hry? Pokud ano, ve kterém tahu?
• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
• O jakou herní akci ses pokoušel/a?
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Co ses pokoušel/a udělat, abys spustil/a tuhle herní akci?
• Co se stalo, když ses o tuto akci pokusil/a (vyskočila chybová hláška, lišta ve hře, ...)?
• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
• V jaké fázi hry problém nastal (jaký byl poslední herní pokyn)?
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Co se stalo, když ses pokusil/a udělat akci (chybová hláška, oznámení stavového řádku hry, ...)?
• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
• Prosím popište vyobrazený problém. Pokud máš snímek obrazvky zobrazující tuto chybu (doporučujeme!), můžeš použít Imgur.com pro nahrání obrázku a pak odkaz na tento obrázek na Imguru zkopírovat a vložit sem.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
• Prosíme, zkopíruj/vlož text zobrazený v angličtině namísto tvého jazyka. Pokud máš snímek obrazvky zobrazující tuto chybu (doporučujeme!), můžeš použít Imgur.com pro nahrání obrázku a pak odkaz na tento obrázek na Imguru zkopírovat a vložit sem.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Je tento text k dispozici v systému pro překládání? Pokud ano, byl přeložen před více než 24 hodinami?
• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
• Prosím popiš svůj návrh přesně a konzistentně, aby bylo snadné pochopit, co máš na mysli.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
Mozilla v5
Historie hlášení
This can make a huge difference in gameplay. At present, players who care about ELO are incentivized to "play to not finish last" whereas in a home game of Catan, they would "play to win". For example, I was just in a three-player game where halfway through, I had 5 points while my opponents had 6 and 8 points. The player in second place decided to target me with the robber everry time (to ensure I didn't get second place) which allowed the other player to cruise to an easy win.
Please, BGA, introduce an option (and make it the default) to play Catan as a win-or-lose game.
The current system is the lesser of two evils, and frankly it gives me something to play for when I get a crippled start and know I can't win. I've been quite pleased with my 2nd places where I've come back from nothing. If people know they are worse off for coming last they will play better to avoid it and that makes it a better game all round.
Also if someone keeps robbing you maybe you annoyed them with your trades/robber placement/cutting them off etc.
Your scheme would make Catan run counter to pretty much every other game I've played on BGA. On BGA, they're not win or lose games, they're ranked 1/2/3/4, regardless of game rules.
@MrBeardy
I always play hard for second place, or even to go from 4th to 3rd at the end, not because I really care about ELO, I just care about my finish position.
Either way, my point was that using VPs, which determine victory, as a tie-breaker is pretty useless, because it changes nothing. Better just to say same VPS, you're tied, no tie breaker. Other games on BGA use that approach.
Your point here is completely opaque. I can see you're South Korean, so English is presumably a second language for you.
You wrote, "No ELO risk for 3rd/4th places?"
Who, on this thread, spoke about eliminating, introducing, or keeping (or not, to any of those three) ELO risk for 3rd/4th places?
I'll try to make the point of the thread more simple for you.
The game result is decided by "who has the most VPs?"
The tiebreaker for players who share the same number of VPs is: "who has the most VPs?"
That's not me asking the same question twice, that's the game asking the same question twice.
My point, when raising the bug, was that using the same criterion to decide postion initially as you do to break ties thereafter is not useful. The result will never change if you use that approach. Use another criterion to break ties, or abandon the tiebreak altogether.
My point was clear. Your point is not. I don't think you're supporting the bug, and I don't think you're against it.
What are you saying? Whatever that is, it's not relevant to the bug.
Full disclosure: I have seen several options in tournaments, but I do not really care so I will abstain from repeating them here.
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