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#9837: "When using the investigator, it sometimes gives false information. "
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• Která část pravidel nebyla dodržena adaptací hry na BGA
Investigator gave false information regarding what was adjacent.
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Move #32 when lachimi put the investigator on Rick's Cafe. It showed him 1 match 0 adjacent. However he actually had China Town,Police Corruption,Pop. Police Corruption was on Rick's Cafe and Pop was adjacent so it should have said 1 match 1 adjacent.
In the most blatant case was move 114 where Pseudo first used a downtown evidence card which showed him 1 adjacent. Then he put an investigator there and it showed him no matches...
This glitch has caused serious confusion and frustration, hopefully it can be fixed ASAP. • Jaký prohlížeč používáte?
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7. May 2018 23:27 • Brisbane Roar • Chyba zatím nebyla vývojáři reprodukována:
This problem didn't appear every time but I would definitely say there would be a mistake around 20% of the time when using investigator.
I think I understand why it's making that mistake, nonetheless it's a serious bug and right now I am asking all of my opponents to verify my information as well as their own to prevent suffering from the glitch.
I think I understand why it's making that mistake, nonetheless it's a serious bug and right now I am asking all of my opponents to verify my information as well as their own to prevent suffering from the glitch.
7. May 2018 23:33 • gnocchi donkey • Chyba zatím nebyla vývojáři reprodukována:
i also had this happen on game 40121344 where i had the trocadero card with adjacent cube then when i placed investigator on that space said no matches
8. May 2018 00:41 • fa81 • Chyba zatím nebyla vývojáři reprodukována:
Game 40106519 move #32 (lachimi going to Rick's Café) is correct: there *is* already a blue cube on Doc for the adjancency to Pop. Placing an investigator where there is already a disc or cube on a tile does *not* place another cube/tile for that aspect. The log message is a little misleading though, that is true. It should mention the full number of matches, I think. The token placement (existing cube stays on Doc; a disc is added on the investigator) is correct though: screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/e547f71c-d691-498e-ae90-c6e0e2c3c5c3.png
8. May 2018 00:55 • fa81 • Chyba zatím nebyla vývojáři reprodukována:
Table #40106519, Move #114: same situation. Already a cube on Downtown.
So, to improve the wording of the game log, I see two options:
1. "$player sent an investigator to $location. *New* matches: ...."
2. "$player sent an investigator to $location. Matches: $correctnumber"
If I go for 2., would it confuse players if it says, e.g. "matches: 1 exact, 1 adjacent" an then only 1 token appears on the investigator tile, because the other token is already on the aspect tile? Obviously moving the token from a tile to the investigator is not an option as this would reduce the amount information again (which doesn't make sense).
So, to improve the wording of the game log, I see two options:
1. "$player sent an investigator to $location. *New* matches: ...."
2. "$player sent an investigator to $location. Matches: $correctnumber"
If I go for 2., would it confuse players if it says, e.g. "matches: 1 exact, 1 adjacent" an then only 1 token appears on the investigator tile, because the other token is already on the aspect tile? Obviously moving the token from a tile to the investigator is not an option as this would reduce the amount information again (which doesn't make sense).
8. May 2018 01:03 • fa81 • Chyba zatím nebyla vývojáři reprodukována:
Table 40121344, gnocchi donkey: same.
8. May 2018 01:11 • fa81 • Chyba zatím nebyla vývojáři reprodukována:
Also — please correct me, I'm really not very good at the game itself — but usually it’s not a very good move to put an investigator where you already have some information. In some edge cases, yes, I can be the best option. But in the two situations I'm looking at right now there were better locations to go to to gain more knowledge ;)
8. May 2018 01:19 • fa81 • Chyba zatím nebyla vývojáři reprodukována:
Quoting the official rules: “If you already have discs and/or cubes in the location then these
would be taken into consideration by the player holding the Case cards, making sure that a specific tile did not receive another disc or cube.“
So, if going by that, one could argue that the game log should as closely as possible imitate a real player, then the log should say something like: “Place 1 disc onto the investigator.”, really only talking about the new tokens.
would be taken into consideration by the player holding the Case cards, making sure that a specific tile did not receive another disc or cube.“
So, if going by that, one could argue that the game log should as closely as possible imitate a real player, then the log should say something like: “Place 1 disc onto the investigator.”, really only talking about the new tokens.
8. May 2018 01:27 • fa81 • Chyba zatím nebyla vývojáři reprodukována:
“$player‘s investigator finds nothing new at $location.”
“$player‘s investigator finds new information at $location: X disc(s), Y cube(s).”
“$player‘s investigator finds new information at $location: X disc(s), Y cube(s).”
8. May 2018 01:41 • fa81 • Vývojáři požadují další informace k reprodukování chyby:
Will try to fix that until Wednesday.
8. May 2018 05:15 • Brisbane Roar • Vývojáři požadují další informace k reprodukování chyby:
Aha thx so much for your feedback fa81 and gnocchi. Yes I understand your point now, so you think just the log should be fixed? I still don't see the drawback to have the investigator always tell the 100% truth, I don't see how any confusion can come of that. And the idea to put the investigator on an evidence location is because they're trying to find out if it's the person, place, or crime that is the one adjacent.
8. May 2018 17:10 • Brisbane Roar • Vývojáři požadují další informace k reprodukování chyby:
Ok so I see that you are absolutely right. What's causing the glitch is exactly what you described. A player puts the investigator on a location where they've already used evidence. Then the investigator no longer takes that into account. So perhaps just the log should be fixed.
8. May 2018 17:58 • e1q3z9c7 • Vývojáři požadují další informace k reprodukování chyby:
yes, I'm really confused about it!!!
8. May 2018 18:07 • e1q3z9c7 • Vývojáři požadují další informace k reprodukování chyby:
#40141874
#55
The answer is China Town, Knuckles, Bank job.
and I put my investigator on China Town square, which is neighbor of both Knuckles and Bank Job(there's a disc on Bank job). The right info should be "1 disc, 2 cubes", but it only shows "1 disc, 1 cube".
#55
The answer is China Town, Knuckles, Bank job.
and I put my investigator on China Town square, which is neighbor of both Knuckles and Bank Job(there's a disc on Bank job). The right info should be "1 disc, 2 cubes", but it only shows "1 disc, 1 cube".
8. May 2018 18:27 • e1q3z9c7 • Vývojáři požadují další informace k reprodukování chyby:
#40141874
#77
The answer is Doc, Trocadero, Jewellery Heist
I put my investigator on the square below Jewellery Heist(already had a disc on it), which is not neighbor others, but this time I got a cube, indicated "Jewellery Heist".
#77
The answer is Doc, Trocadero, Jewellery Heist
I put my investigator on the square below Jewellery Heist(already had a disc on it), which is not neighbor others, but this time I got a cube, indicated "Jewellery Heist".
8. May 2018 18:59 • e1q3z9c7 • Vývojáři požadují další informace k reprodukování chyby:
I'm sorry I think maybe it's my misread the rules:
"If you already have discs and/or cubes in the location then these would be taken into consideration by the player holding the Case cards, making sure that a specific tile did not receive another disc or cube."
On #40141874 #55
I already got a cube on that location and it's should be take into consideration, no duplicate info should given by investigator.
"If you already have discs and/or cubes in the location then these would be taken into consideration by the player holding the Case cards, making sure that a specific tile did not receive another disc or cube."
On #40141874 #55
I already got a cube on that location and it's should be take into consideration, no duplicate info should given by investigator.
8. May 2018 21:19 • fa81 • Chyba byla odstraněna:
Fix in version 180508-2114. Correct or adjacent matches that already have a token on the board are counted now when placing an investigator on the same location. Nothing changes regarding token movement; it's just the log that now mentions more matches.
11. May 2018 10:10 • MikeIsMyIke • Chyba byla odstraněna:
Another example of this bug on move 28 during the second round. en.2.boardgamearena.com/pi?table=40215285
Is there a way to make it more visually obvious when this happens? Perhaps animate the cube moving from the location to the investigator then back to the location?
Is there a way to make it more visually obvious when this happens? Perhaps animate the cube moving from the location to the investigator then back to the location?
11. May 2018 10:10 • MikeIsMyIke • Chyba byla odstraněna:
Or at least include a more specific example in the how to play suggestion to clarify how this interaction works.
18. May 2018 17:40 • traddles27 • Chyba byla odstraněna:
en.3.boardgamearena.com/pi?table=40424527 not fixed yet, as it seems. In game 2 of this table, PI shows me 1 relevant neighbour relevant to Trocadero (for red), round ends,there were 2 relevant neighbours in the end.
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